Queent Colleen and the Ballinger Family Part 1

-Im sure Chris will be pleased to know he's basically "unemployed" since Collie is completely doing his job. Does he still get paid, Collie?
-Something is definitely amiss with the Kory/Collie relationship. Don't they remind you of her and Josh from right before the divorce? Kory comes home and they barely acknowledge one another. Reminds me so much of the awkwardness of how Kory and Collie used to treat Josh.
-Girl is looking rougher and rougher. I know Ballingers don't seem to age well..but wow...she looks like she's in her mid 40s.

May 29, 2017 17:28:14 GMT 10 verukasalt said:

-Im sure Chris will be pleased to know he's basically "unemployed" since Collie is completely doing his job. Does he still get paid, Collie?
-Something is definitely amiss with the Kory/Collie relationship. Don't they remind you of her and Josh from right before the divorce? Kory comes home and they barely acknowledge one another. Reminds me so much of the awkwardness of how Kory and Collie used to treat Josh.
-Girl is looking rougher and rougher. I know Ballingers don't seem to age well..but wow...she looks like she's in her mid 40s.

There's definitely something going on there. Normally hes all up in the live streams, in her snaps etc, and now its almost like crickets. I wonder if hes just sick of looking after her. I think the biggest problem is living together. I cant see them having very good boundaries.

Colon loves playing the hardworking martyr/victim card - there is ZERO reason why she has to do "TWO JOBS" - she/netflix could hire someone to cover Chris either temporary while he is off or for the rest of the season if hes not coming back.

Side note - why does chris need so much time off - paternity leave in the UK is 2 weeks - surely chris can go back to work soon and go home at weekends like the rest of the cast/crew?

May 29, 2017 21:14:22 GMT 10 purplequeen said:

Colon loves playing the hardworking martyr/victim card - there is ZERO reason why she has to do "TWO JOBS" - she/netflix could hire someone to cover Chris either temporary while he is off or for the rest of the season if hes not coming back.

Side note - why does chris need so much time off - paternity leave in the UK is 2 weeks - surely chris can go back to work soon and go home at weekends like the rest of the cast/crew?

3 young kids, a new born and horder house to pack up. I get he'd stick around and spend time with his kids etc. But i think colleen needed him, not Netflix.
The distain in his voice was clear when he said he preferred a less cluttered house. I'm guessing Jessica is the messy one

The santa barbara mural is the absolute spitting dabs of colon - can't believe she can't see it - the massive nose especially is spot on.

May 29, 2017 16:33:13 GMT 10 @newday said:

That live stream...
she's just MANIPULATIVE.
She's a master at it. She must've learned a long time ago how to wrap people around her finger.
The subtle princess, martyr complex that has people feeling guilty.
'I'm doing my brothers job AND my job; it's just really hard'
'I'm really good at respecting people's different preferences, so I'm totally supportive of Rachel doing her show by herself. Maybe after a couple of shows, I'll be allowed to go... I don't know'
And she's just baseline IMMATURE.
I can't believe she's 30.
Look at Jessica. For all her bullshit, 34 y/o Jessica seems 45 years old most days.
Colin seeems... 19?
Ever self centered.
Ever bitchy.
I don't know. Her family has been programmed for 3 decades to keep her afloat in all her delusions.
It's a train wreck.

It was actually awesome to hear her mention Liza. She sees that Liza is fresh, talented and that Colin is kinda outdated and old.
She sees it. I think she's terrified.
That's pretty sweet, actually.

I only turned on the livestream for a second because after two questions I was like nope not today I can't with her. But I heard her answer what do you think of Rachel's show being next week and she was like it's NEXT WEEK?! I thought it was like in a month. Of course she's far too busy to be aware of the time. When really she just can't be bothered to care about a show that isn't centered around her. But that would take her focus away from her diet of nitrogen ice cream every day and Erik, can't have that. Oh yeah, that reminds me, I shut it off when she said she's been eating that ice cream a lot and "that's why she's put on a lot of weight." I can't even handle that bullshit.

But she said at one point that Rachel isn't letting her be at the show? Good for her. I mean personally I think Rachel's show will be a disaster because she has no on stage skills really. Is she going to stand there and scream for 90 minutes? But I have mad respect for her doing it herself and not asking colleen to be there and ensure a better turnout with Miranda stans. She'll know the people there are probably to see her, though some probably got tickets hoping colleen will be there anyways.

May 29, 2017 22:30:16 GMT 10 ratchetrachel said:

May 29, 2017 16:33:13 GMT 10 @newday said:

That live stream...
she's just MANIPULATIVE.
She's a master at it. She must've learned a long time ago how to wrap people around her finger.
The subtle princess, martyr complex that has people feeling guilty.
'I'm doing my brothers job AND my job; it's just really hard'
'I'm really good at respecting people's different preferences, so I'm totally supportive of Rachel doing her show by herself. Maybe after a couple of shows, I'll be allowed to go... I don't know'
And she's just baseline IMMATURE.
I can't believe she's 30.
Look at Jessica. For all her bullshit, 34 y/o Jessica seems 45 years old most days.
Colin seeems... 19?
Ever self centered.
Ever bitchy.
I don't know. Her family has been programmed for 3 decades to keep her afloat in all her delusions.
It's a train wreck.

It was actually awesome to hear her mention Liza. She sees that Liza is fresh, talented and that Colin is kinda outdated and old.
She sees it. I think she's terrified.
That's pretty sweet, actually.

I only turned on the livestream for a second because after two questions I was like nope not today I can't with her. But I heard her answer what do you think of Rachel's show being next week and she was like it's NEXT WEEK?! I thought it was like in a month. Of course she's far too busy to be aware of the time. When really she just can't be bothered to care about a show that isn't centered around her. But that would take her focus away from her diet of nitrogen ice cream every day and Erik, can't have that. Oh yeah, that reminds me, I shut it off when she said she's been eating that ice cream a lot and "that's why she's put on a lot of weight." I can't even handle that bullshit.

But she said at one point that Rachel isn't letting her be at the show? Good for her. I mean personally I think Rachel's show will be a disaster because she has no on stage skills really. Is she going to stand there and scream for 90 minutes? But I have mad respect for her doing it herself and not asking colleen to be there and ensure a better turnout with Miranda stans. She'll know the people there are probably to see her, though some probably got tickets hoping colleen will be there anyways.

Wait- she said she put on weight? She's most definitely lost more weight- I'm pretty sure she needs to go see someone and get some help, that's really scary.

If I remember correctly she said she's put on "A LOT" of weight as a result of her ice cream habit in Vancouver.

I just watched it and OHMIGOD!!!! 15 YEAR OLD ABOUT TO GO AN A RANT!!!:
Yeah okay so people are obviously getting impatient with the Purple Hearts thing and she still hasn't made up her mind because "it's the hardest decision she has ever made her while life!" 😂😂😂😂 divorcing your husband isn't? 👌
She said been eating ice cream "like everyday and that's why she's gained weight" where your toes?! If anything ipshes lost waaay more!
You can see at like the 34 minute mark when she hasn't her hand like on her hips and her arms are out it legitimately is just skin and bones!!!
And yeah I am a,so proud of Rachel for standing up for herself and saying she didn't want anyone from her family at her live show. She probably is trying to get HER OWN fans there instead of people just going for colon.
She was also talking about how the cast live just a few blocks away from each other....Wonder who specifically? *cough* Erik*cough*
And I find it great that josh was at Steves wedding last night I think shane and ryland and drew were there as well...wonder if they chatted?
Colon didn't even tweet them congratulations or talk about it in the stream...guess they never met or don't really know each other or not on good terms.

I'm sorry for the spelling errors once again 😩^^^^

She is massively obsessed with herself.

May 29, 2017 23:18:27 GMT 10 @newday said:

She is massively obsessed with herself.

Like everyone here is saying: she's trying to play the victim card for more empathy because she needs 12-15 year olds to validate her and worship her every move and so if josh does end up spilling the tea and it's as bad as we are saying here she knows that no one is going to actually unsubscribe if anything she may actually gain more followers because of it. The worst part is they will all be like "Yeah she did blah blah blah BUT josh wasn't being mean to her fan base because he obviously has a lot of issues and is not doing good at all....can't believe I ever looked up to him 😭😭😭😭" 🙄🙄🙄

May 29, 2017 23:04:24 GMT 10 ratchetrachel said:

If I remember correctly she said she's put on "A LOT" of weight as a result of her ice cream habit in Vancouver.

Just watched it and you're right. 🤦‍♀️
Shes either got a real problem or she's fishing for compliments... in one of her snap stories she looked so thin I actually wondered if she was using some kind of filter- but she was only using the one that puts an overlay on the snap which makes your skin tone even. She definitely has not put on a lot of weight.

How many times did she emphasize 'the cast and I never hang out b/c we're all too busy.'
'I'm going to be ALONE in Vancouver after filming, just me and Kory'
'The cast lives close, but we never have time to hang out'

Longtime lurker, first time poster. Long post warning!

So a bit of background. I've known about Miranda, and subsequently Colleen, since she started. (P.S. I'm Irish and that's not how you pronounce Colleen!). I remember coming across one of her very early videos, which was very funny as it was the live "singing lessons" she used to do with Broadway stars as a segment during some larger cabaret shows. The Miranda character at that time came across as obnoxious and clueless of her lack of talent, a perfect reflection of Youtube "singers" that started appearing around then. They covered songs in all manner of awful ways but were so surpised by negative feedback! This is most likely because their parents and friends never had the heart to tell them how little talent they actually had!   Miranda was fun in very small doses but I found a few videos of Colleen performing and thought she had a nice voice.

Anyway I was in my 20's then, life moved on and I forgot all about Miranda and Colleen.

Fast forward to a few years ago and somehow I decide to watch the old Miranda singing lessons videos. I have no idea why but I was probably deep in a Youtube black hole of searching random videos at the time! To my surprise, not only are the old videos still there but she's still around and making new videos. So I check them out and after about 5 minutes I decide that I am most definitely not her target audience! But I watch some of Colleen's videos. Again challenges, tasting food, collaborating etc. is not my cup of tea so I move on. I find her vlog channel and it's a bit more interesting. I guess it's a guilty pleasure to get some insight into what's going on in the lives of others, plus she had a nice pair of boobs which was a bonus!

For a few months I find myself checking our her vlogs a bit more, then I check out Josh's vlogs. He doesn't interest me much but he comes across and genuine and kind hearted so is still enjoyable to watch from time to time. Plus they are engaged now, and at the time I was recently married so it was nice to see someone else's relationship that was a few years behind my own. Subsequently I stumble onto some of the other Ballinger clan's channels. I enjoyed Chris's content at the time as I'm also an amateur magician and was impressed with some of his tricks. Rachel seemed to just shout a lot be she seemed a bit more real than Colleen, plus I was interested in seeing the backstage stuff and travel vlogs from some of the Miranda gigs that she helped out on.

And then all of a sudden Colleen's career seemed to blow up. She started doing a lot of shows, then she was on Jimmy Fallon, then she was on Jerry Seinfeld's show (which was so terrible I was actually embarrassed for her!), she had that "book" come out. Around that time I noticed her family had started to quit their jobs and take up YouTube full time. That's when I started to worry. The engagement to Josh was in full swing, wedding planning was taking place, they were sharing a lot on YouTube. Her family were relying on her to get their views up, which brought about extra pressue. The busier her career got it, the less interested she seemed in her relationship. Rachel and Chris started doing their own thing a lot and seemed to spend less time helping Colleen, she seemed to get more frazzled and frazzled. She was touring a lot, complaining a lot (my shoulder hurts, I'm so tired, but also I looooooover touring because you guys need meeee!!) but then didn't seem too sad when she didn't see Josh for weeks on end. As someone who's been in long distance relationships some alarm bells started ringing.

So the wedding happens and it looks terrible. It didn't seem serious to me, her vows were a joke, the videos of the after party just seemed to show Colleen ignoring her new husband, their honeymoon vlogs are a disaster where she looks completely disinterested. However I wished them the best at the time.

Then she gets the Netflix show and she gets even busier. There are a few live streams where both her and Josh just don't look happy. But when I knew it was over was during their anniversary vlog where she was so rude to Josh. It reminded me of a past relationship where on Valentines Day where I went all out but my girlfriend didn't even get me a card. Her excuse was that she doesn't really believe in Valentines Day. Within a few months that relationship was over and only years later did I see how she treated me. Plus loads of pictures of Valentine's Day celebrations on her Facebook page in subsequent years furter revealed the truth, she just wasn't into me. So that day I knew that that Josh and Colleen probably wouldn't last, she just wasn't into him any more. Her moving to Canada pretty much confirmed it and the rest is history.

I think her latest live stream reveals why all this has happened. She seems very concerned with how to keep her brand and content fresh. For years she was doing pretty well as Miranda and the Josh relationship helped her own channel. Then the engagement happens which created more content so them $$$ kept rolling in. She could do Q&As about the relationship, do relationship challenges etc. Vlogs would show her perfect relationship. She had Josh's channel which could bounce viewers to hers and vice versa. Her family's channels also helped and she could collaborate with them. Then she got even busier and busier. I think she also became less interested in Josh, but he was a big part of her channel's success so she stuck with it for them $$$. I think she struggeled to keep all her channels going while also writing the book and the Netflix show, but wedding planning still created content for her so the charade went on. All the while her relationship was deteriorating. Then the wedding happened, too late to back out, and I think we can all she how well that went. 

Now at this point there wasn't too much content to be drawn from her relationship with Josh. Married life is wonderful but just not very interesting to her young audience. Every fairytale stops after the princess gets her happy ever after with the prince. So now she has to grow up and actually be in the marriage for herself, no longer getting the YouTube views, and she realises her heart's just not in it. The Netflix show also sees her living away from Josh, meeting new people and spending time with cast members, including Eric. Everyone that has been involved in a play, show or musical knows that show romances are a thing. You spend hours everyday with someone, become close and eventually romance blossoms. I think this is what happened, she either tells Josh or he finds out and that's the end of it. She knows that the divorce will look bad but her viewers finding out it was her that caused it to end would be very damaging so she pleads with Josh not to reveal it. Because he's still in love he agrees to it. I know, I've been there. You're so devastated at losing the love of your life that you'll do anything to make them happy.

I think this is why she's gone completely the other way of refusing to even acknowldge the divorce or Josh. She's terrified that he can reveal her deepest, darkest secrets. I also think the reason she looks so bad lately is because she's so terrified that the truth will come out, and that her Netflix show will fail, that her channel will continue to decline and eventually this will all come to an end, perhaps sooner than she ever imagined. And really she'll only have herself to blame.

Now she may still have a relationship with Eric but of course show romances also have a way of fizzling out. If her career tanks, and so does any relationship, I think she'll realise that it was all her own doing. 

And we'll all be along for the ride! 

^^^PREACH IT!!!^^^

May 30, 2017 0:44:26 GMT 10 Doesn't matter said:

^^^PREACH IT!!!^^^

And....breathe. 

That was a lot to get off my chest.

Also I think Josh is starting to realise that he owes Colleen nothing, especially not silence over why they divorced. I predict it will all come out before the end of the year.

May 30, 2017 0:51:29 GMT 10 lurkylurk said:

May 30, 2017 0:44:26 GMT 10 Doesn't matter said:

^^^PREACH IT!!!^^^

And....breathe. 

That was a lot to get off my chest.

Also I think Josh is starting to realise that he owes Colleen nothing, especially not silence over why they divorced. I predict it will all come out before the end of the year.

I can just see it now!: 
*josh live streams after colon and Erik come out as a couple*
josh:"next question: 'colleen and Erik are a thing now! Do you know that yet?!' Of course I know! I have known since the divorce 😊!"

Did anything shady happen in the live stream? She deleted it apparently

Yeah I just came home was about to watch and let the tea spill but she deleted it? What was so shady? Did erik fall out of the cupboard again?

Yeah it shows it got deleted nothing shady at all that I can recall? Maybe it was because she said joey was in it and she got yelled at for it? (Just throwing around wild guesses here 😂)

All I can think of is she looked miserable in the livestream. Her "be happy" mask had slipped off so maybe that's the reason she deleted it. Other than that she confessed about worrying how to stay relevant compared to Liza and Gabby, which was maybe too truthful for her. I'm fact she said something like she was doing a livestream as it was easier than coming up with an idea for a video. Also Kory completely ignored her at a few points during the stream suggesting all is not wonderful in Canada. She did make one comment about how none of her followers were asking her questions, just making statements, and she seemed pretty annoyed by it. Also she seemed so bored in her responses to questions. The only time she perked up was when a question was asked about Miranda and Patrick. I wonder why.....

Has she given up on singing saturdays?

Also, this is just a fun thing to mention: I don't know how many of you have seen the show Friends, but there's an episode where chandler is worried his actress girlfriend is cheating on him with her attractive costar. He asks Joey, since Joey is an actor and Joey says you'll know they're into each other by the passion on stage, but you'll know if they have sex if the passion all of a sudden goes away. Lo and behold the passion was gone and it turns out they did. I wonder if a little spark is there because they haven't actually done anything yet. I never got to the part in the show where they kiss or whatever, but if it was lame maybe it's because it became routine for them, like what couples do when they've kissed a lot. Or they're just not great actors idk I just thought this was fun to mention 😬

^^^or they didn't try anything till after the kiss?^^^

May 30, 2017 1:45:16 GMT 10 lurkylurk said:

All I can think of is she looked miserable in the livestream. Her "be happy" mask had slipped off so maybe that's the reason she deleted it. Other than that she confessed about worrying how to stay relevant compared to Liza and Gabby, which was maybe too truthful for her. I'm fact she said something like she was doing a livestream as it was easier than coming up with an idea for a video. Also Kory completely ignored her at a few points during the stream suggesting all is not wonderful in Canada. She did make one comment about how none of her followers were asking her questions, just making statements, and she seemed pretty annoyed by it. Also she seemed so bored in her responses to questions. The only time she perked up was when a question was asked about Miranda and Patrick. I wonder why.....

Well when you live stream constantly and lack serious content, you're never going to be as good. Her youtube time has come and gone. Imo josh was the drawcard for vlogs and soprano. Josh left and she suddenly isnt interesting.

Why doesnt she just say "im working a hard job im only uploading once a week?

Same poster from the one right above this! I just looked the kiss scene up and I could definitely see a little of colon shining through....maybe just me though? If y'all wanna. Look it up just YouTube "Miranda and Patrick kiss scene"

May 30, 2017 2:15:15 GMT 10 Doesn't matter said:

Same poster from the one right above this! I just looked the kiss scene up and I could definitely see a little of colon shining through....maybe just me though? If y'all wanna. Look it up just YouTube "Miranda and Patrick kiss scene"

Thanks I'll do this! So you think the kiss might be what sparked their relationship?

May 30, 2017 2:15:15 GMT 10 Doesn't matter said:

Same poster from the one right above this! I just looked the kiss scene up and I could definitely see a little of colon shining through....maybe just me though? If y'all wanna. Look it up just YouTube "Miranda and Patrick kiss scene"

I'll defs look into it! Just fyi we'll probably have to turn off guests being allowed to post soon as we've had some spam or trolls sneak through! Sorry about that!

May 30, 2017 0:00:28 GMT 10 lurkylurk said:

Longtime lurker, first time poster. Long post warning!

So a bit of background. I've known about Miranda, and subsequently Colleen, since she started. (P.S. I'm Irish and that's not how you pronounce Colleen!). I remember coming across one of her very early videos, which was very funny as it was the live "singing lessons" she used to do with Broadway stars as a segment during some larger cabaret shows. The Miranda character at that time came across as obnoxious and clueless of her lack of talent, a perfect reflection of Youtube "singers" that started appearing around then. They covered songs in all manner of awful ways but were so surpised by negative feedback! This is most likely because their parents and friends never had the heart to tell them how little talent they actually had!   Miranda was fun in very small doses but I found a few videos of Colleen performing and thought she had a nice voice.

Anyway I was in my 20's then, life moved on and I forgot all about Miranda and Colleen.

Fast forward to a few years ago and somehow I decide to watch the old Miranda singing lessons videos. I have no idea why but I was probably deep in a Youtube black hole of searching random videos at the time! To my surprise, not only are the old videos still there but she's still around and making new videos. So I check them out and after about 5 minutes I decide that I am most definitely not her target audience! But I watch some of Colleen's videos. Again challenges, tasting food, collaborating etc. is not my cup of tea so I move on. I find her vlog channel and it's a bit more interesting. I guess it's a guilty pleasure to get some insight into what's going on in the lives of others, plus she had a nice pair of boobs which was a bonus!

For a few months I find myself checking our her vlogs a bit more, then I check out Josh's vlogs. He doesn't interest me much but he comes across and genuine and kind hearted so is still enjoyable to watch from time to time. Plus they are engaged now, and at the time I was recently married so it was nice to see someone else's relationship that was a few years behind my own. Subsequently I stumble onto some of the other Ballinger clan's channels. I enjoyed Chris's content at the time as I'm also an amateur magician and was impressed with some of his tricks. Rachel seemed to just shout a lot be she seemed a bit more real than Colleen, plus I was interested in seeing the backstage stuff and travel vlogs from some of the Miranda gigs that she helped out on.

And then all of a sudden Colleen's career seemed to blow up. She started doing a lot of shows, then she was on Jimmy Fallon, then she was on Jerry Seinfeld's show (which was so terrible I was actually embarrassed for her!), she had that "book" come out. Around that time I noticed her family had started to quit their jobs and take up YouTube full time. That's when I started to worry. The engagement to Josh was in full swing, wedding planning was taking place, they were sharing a lot on YouTube. Her family were relying on her to get their views up, which brought about extra pressue. The busier her career got it, the less interested she seemed in her relationship. Rachel and Chris started doing their own thing a lot and seemed to spend less time helping Colleen, she seemed to get more frazzled and frazzled. She was touring a lot, complaining a lot (my shoulder hurts, I'm so tired, but also I looooooover touring because you guys need meeee!!) but then didn't seem too sad when she didn't see Josh for weeks on end. As someone who's been in long distance relationships some alarm bells started ringing.

So the wedding happens and it looks terrible. It didn't seem serious to me, her vows were a joke, the videos of the after party just seemed to show Colleen ignoring her new husband, their honeymoon vlogs are a disaster where she looks completely disinterested. However I wished them the best at the time.

Then she gets the Netflix show and she gets even busier. There are a few live streams where both her and Josh just don't look happy. But when I knew it was over was during their anniversary vlog where she was so rude to Josh. It reminded me of a past relationship where on Valentines Day where I went all out but my girlfriend didn't even get me a card. Her excuse was that she doesn't really believe in Valentines Day. Within a few months that relationship was over and only years later did I see how she treated me. Plus loads of pictures of Valentine's Day celebrations on her Facebook page in subsequent years furter revealed the truth, she just wasn't into me. So that day I knew that that Josh and Colleen probably wouldn't last, she just wasn't into him any more. Her moving to Canada pretty much confirmed it and the rest is history.

I think her latest live stream reveals why all this has happened. She seems very concerned with how to keep her brand and content fresh. For years she was doing pretty well as Miranda and the Josh relationship helped her own channel. Then the engagement happens which created more content so them $$$ kept rolling in. She could do Q&As about the relationship, do relationship challenges etc. Vlogs would show her perfect relationship. She had Josh's channel which could bounce viewers to hers and vice versa. Her family's channels also helped and she could collaborate with them. Then she got even busier and busier. I think she also became less interested in Josh, but he was a big part of her channel's success so she stuck with it for them $$$. I think she struggeled to keep all her channels going while also writing the book and the Netflix show, but wedding planning still created content for her so the charade went on. All the while her relationship was deteriorating. Then the wedding happened, too late to back out, and I think we can all she how well that went. 

Now at this point there wasn't too much content to be drawn from her relationship with Josh. Married life is wonderful but just not very interesting to her young audience. Every fairytale stops after the princess gets her happy ever after with the prince. So now she has to grow up and actually be in the marriage for herself, no longer getting the YouTube views, and she realises her heart's just not in it. The Netflix show also sees her living away from Josh, meeting new people and spending time with cast members, including Eric. Everyone that has been involved in a play, show or musical knows that show romances are a thing. You spend hours everyday with someone, become close and eventually romance blossoms. I think this is what happened, she either tells Josh or he finds out and that's the end of it. She knows that the divorce will look bad but her viewers finding out it was her that caused it to end would be very damaging so she pleads with Josh not to reveal it. Because he's still in love he agrees to it. I know, I've been there. You're so devastated at losing the love of your life that you'll do anything to make them happy.

I think this is why she's gone completely the other way of refusing to even acknowldge the divorce or Josh. She's terrified that he can reveal her deepest, darkest secrets. I also think the reason she looks so bad lately is because she's so terrified that the truth will come out, and that her Netflix show will fail, that her channel will continue to decline and eventually this will all come to an end, perhaps sooner than she ever imagined. And really she'll only have herself to blame.

Now she may still have a relationship with Eric but of course show romances also have a way of fizzling out. If her career tanks, and so does any relationship, I think she'll realise that it was all her own doing. 

And we'll all be along for the ride! 

This!!! 🙌🏻 👏🏻

May 30, 2017 2:20:04 GMT 10 gossipgranny said:

May 30, 2017 2:15:15 GMT 10 Doesn't matter said:

Same poster from the one right above this! I just looked the kiss scene up and I could definitely see a little of colon shining through....maybe just me though? If y'all wanna. Look it up just YouTube "Miranda and Patrick kiss scene"

Thanks I'll do this! So you think the kiss might be what sparked their relationship?

I think it could definitely be a possibility. Like again how she says right when Erik walked in she knew he was Patrick that could also mean she could have a little crush on him? And when they kissed it could have been set off something too? Lol idk just a thought haha kind of like zac and Vanessa (from high school musical) you can't tell me them dating on the show sparked the idea of them dating in real life too you know?